It came to my attention that William Shatner – Captain/Admiral Kirk from Star Trek, the title role of TJ Hooker and most recently Denny Crane in Boston Legal – had posted his support for Autism Speaks on Twitter and attracted quite the reaction from those who know that Autism Speaks is not the supporter of Autism that he thinks they are. I asked someone to tweet this to Mr Shatner and I hope he reads this and understands (I have left Twitter myself).
Many in the Autistic community are offended by Autism Speaks. They have a history of hate ridden conduct, misrepresenting Autism as all world bad and needing to be cured and prevented. They claimed that Autism holds families prisoner (the Ransom Notes campaign), and causes many other family issues including divorce and other related issues (see the I am Autism video). These are offensive claims that are 100 percent false and they are claims that Autism Speaks have never apologised for.
Shatner claimed that we should report Autism Speaks to the IRS. Why? What can the IRS do? They are powerless because of something called the First Amendment. Further, the fact that Autism Speaks removed the words “cure” and “prevention” from their mission statement will now protect them if action could be taken. The reality is that the previous campaigns I mentioned were not withdrawn because of orders from authorities. They were withdrawn because of the backlash from people like those who have criticised Shatner on Twitter.
Now some of the language that was used wasn’t appropriate – such as this from Samantha Barnett;
@WilliamShatner And Autistic people have been opposing them for a decade. Shut the [beep!] up and listen to the people who actually have to deal with this shit
Now I can understand why Shatner would treat this with contempt and the same applies to anyone who dropped the F bomb or the S word. But this tweet from Latino Sci-Fi Geek was spot on;
@WilliamShatner That #AutismSpeaks Puzzle symbol is kind of the autism equivalent of a nazi swastika to jews.But people aren’t aware of that
Now here Shatner got it wrong, calling the analogy “offensive”. What’s offensive is the past history of Autism Speaks openly encouraging the eugenic elimination of the Autistic community. That’s exactly what the Nazi’s tried to do to the Jews. It’s historical fact. Looking for a cure and trying to prevent Autism is attempting to eliminate a section of the community. We are human beings and we are different in our own way. The Jews are human beings as well and different in their own way. It’s the same with every different aspect of the human race, and Autism Speaks wanted to wipe us out. That’s the reason why the analogy is correct.
Ari Ne’eman then tweeted this;
@WilliamShatner is yelling at Autistic people for trying to educate him about Autism Speaks. Not a good look, Bill.
I wouldn’t agree necessarily that Shatner yelled, but many would have seen his responses to those who tweeted him in the vein of anger and contempt. Words on a screen can be seen as yelling even though it isn’t intended. That’s the Autistic mind making a different interpretation, and Shatner didn’t see it – and blocked Ari in reply after accusing others of bullying him. As long as bad language wasn’t used, he wasn’t bullied. People were exercising their right to free speech and to educate as many tried to – and indeed as I am trying to now. Fellow ASAN member Amy Caraballo saw the issue and said this;
@WilliamShatner Yelling is necessary because history has proven many aren’t listening otherwise. Point in case. #learnsomething #nothingaboutthemwithoutthem
I can attest to that. There are many who are not listening and are harming the Autistic community. Again, this is the history of Autism Speaks – they have caused anger with their contemptible conduct, particularly from their co-founder the late Suzanne Wright. She produced videos that lied about Autism and promoted fear for the condition. Autism Speaks have relied on the fear factor to gain the donations they have. Fear creates hate, and hate leads to suffering. (Yes I’m quoting Yoda from Star Wars but it’s spot on)
Shatner queried “neurodiversity’s” tactics. A correction, Bill – neurodiversity is not a movement. Please don’t make that mistake. Neurodiversity is a concept, meaning “neuro” (as in brain) and “diversity” (as in difference). Also note that the vast majority of people on Twitter who had a crack at you were NOT members of ASAN. The goal of ASAN is to promote Autism in the correct manner, making it a competitor to Autism Speaks. Attacking Autism Speaks is just part of the job that is needed to stop the hate they have promoted, and it appears to be working as Autism Speaks is showing signs of change. And other organisations have also been attacked by ASAN, such as the Judge Rotenburg Center.
This tweet was Shatner was disappointing;
Complete misrepresentation of what actually happened but apparently they learn from the founder that if you misrepresent; you get sympathy.??
Bill, with all due respect you missed the point. This is a mess that started when you provided a symbol that is seen by many as offensive. It happens. Please understand that Autism Speaks has a history of misrepresenting Autism and that is what this is all about. You were seen as supporting said misrepresentation, and there are many who get angry automatically as a result. Anger doesn’t look good obviously, but I ask that you understand the anger. You don’t need to agree with it. That’s up to you. But if you understand it you’ll get the idea and realise why you were jumped on. Your late Star Trek co-star Leonard Nimoy portrayed a character that is seen to represent Autistic traits. Data from Star Trek Next Generation is seen in a similar light. Autism Speaks sees Autism only as low functioning and doesn’t recognise the sum of us who carry ourselves in similar ways to Spock and Data.
It’s a shame you felt you were being bullied. We have been bullied by Autism Speaks, and we’ve been sick of it for many years and know only one way to fight back. You got caught in the cross fire and I plead with you to review your support of Autism Speaks. I hope I have your understanding with this blog entry.
I’m doing a majority cross post on this one on both my Autism and my political blogs, with only difference being that on the political blog I’m talking about two issues whereas on the Autism blog it’s just the one – Hillary’s policy on Autism.
I finally got the link to the policy that I thought I’d lost. It was given to me by Cube Demon, and it’s also on Jonathan Mitchell’s blog but I forgot about it. It would of course been easier if Nick Walker had just given the link. I can safely say that his belief that Hillary is against Autism is 99 percent wrong, and that’s good enough for me. The Autistic community should vote for Hillary, and I’ll show her positives shortly.
But let’s put the other candidates in their box, and it naturally starts with Donald Trump. That idiot supports the bunked idea that vaccines cause Autism. Those of us with a brain know that it’s not true. He thinks that changing the vaccine structure will make a difference. It won’t – not one iota. Autism is genetic in origin and that is a fact that he ignores totally. He has nothing for us – at all.
Jill Stein, the Greens candidate, doesn’t have a specific platform on Autism it would appear. But she has used one word to describe it that makes her an enemy – “epidemic”. That’s the same as calling Autism as disease, which it’s not. So at present at least she is a threat to us. Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate, also doesn’t have a specific platform on Autism. Unlike Stein there’s nothing at all as a guide. It’s the same with Darrell Castle, from the Constitution Party. He though may have some understanding at least as a lawyer who has a policy within that structure on getting Autistics Social Security Disability Insurance. Mind you having said that he has Asperger Syndrome listed separately when it shouldn’t be because of the DSM-5.
So the only person with a detailed policy on Autism is Hillary Clinton. And it’s a winner.
- Screening and Awareness – Boost early screening rates with a nationwide outreach campaign; and Promote multi-sector awareness campaign.
- Autism Treatment and Insurance Coverage – Improve access to autism services in the ACA marketplace and through private health insurance; Increase state compliance with Medicaid coverage requirements for children with autism and other developmental disabilities and create an autism-service-access scorecard that makes state Medicaid compliance publicly accessible; and Work with the Department of Defense to ensure military families have full access to autism services through TRICARE, the health care program dedicated to service members, veterans, and their families.
- Safety and Services for Children and Youth – Enact the Keeping All Students Safe Act; and Protect children with autism from bullying in their classrooms.
- Community Supports and Services for Individuals Transitioning into Adulthood – Launch a new Autism Works Initiative consisting of a post-graduation transition plan for every student with autism aging out of school-based services and a public-private partnership with employers; The importance of a transition plan; The importance of public-private partnerships; Combine the Autism Works Initiative with new legislation to fund employment demonstration grants for individuals with autism and other disabilities; and Increase housing opportunities for autistic youth and adults.
- Caregiving – Encourage all states to enact ABLE legislation and ensure consumer protection for ABLE account beneficiaries; and Provide new support to caregivers.
- Research – Significantly increase funding so that the government can invest more in autism research; and Call for the first-ever adult autism prevalence and needs study.
- Enforcement – Ensure states meet their obligations under IDEA’s Child Find Program to identify, screen, and refer children with disabilities for services; Ensure access to assistive technologies; Enforce mental health parity protections; Continue vigorous enforcement of Olmstead; and Dedicate new funding to autism protection and advocacy.
This is all fantastic, but there is a single hole. In Safety and Services, the protection factor for children is limited to the classroom. It should include the Internet as well. Not only that, bullying is not limited to children on the Spectrum – there should be protection for adults as well.
Nick Walker claimed the Hillary Clinton called Autism a burden. The only mention of “burden” in the policy was the financial burden Autism places on families. And that burden is not caused by Autism itself. It is caused by societal and governmental neglect, and in the case of certainly the latter Hillary is covering that. In 2007 AEIOU valued that burden in Australia at an average of $5.8 billion AUD a year. Based in pure population that would put the US at $75.4 billion AUD or about $56 billion USD. Actual spending at present in both countries is well below that level, but in America at least Hillary seems to be committing to that. Any mention of the word “burden” in future by Hillary has to be taken in that context.
I also want to talk about the research. It does talk about genetic markers which can be dangerous, but as there is no mention of any particular target that’s not a problem. There is certainly no mention of pursuing a cure as a result of said research.
Bottom line – Hillary Clinton is the only candidate who is serious about Autism.
The author of the lauded best seller “Neurotribes” is coming to Australia as a keynote speaker of Autism Victoria’s bi annual Victorian Autism Conference on September 1 – the first day of a two day conference in Melbourne. And he will be here.
The Change.org petition started by Yuval Levental (under the name “Y L”) is a complete waste of time, and amounts to bullying, harassment and also libel.
I’m not going to link to that petition, but here are the lowlights of what was said;
1. Steve does NOT trivialise Autism. He pays it the proper and correct respect. Levental does not.
2. Disability IS part of the human experience. The human experience is all about diversity, and Levental opposes diversity. His editing on Wikipedia is proof that he is a racist.
3. There is plenty of evidence that many famous figures in history were Autistic. If Steve chose to be vague about it that would have been because it wasn’t really important to the present day.
4. Employment of Autistics rely on the employers, and Levental trying to shut Silberman down will have an adverse effect on an already serious problem with attitude towards Autism.
5. The rise in the prevalence of Autism in Silicon Valley is not about birth rate. It is about those who live there, but were born elsewhere.
6. Autism Victoria AKA AMAZE does recognise the negative effects of Autism. It also recognises the positive effects and provides balance. Levental opposes that balance.
Levental is trying to create the same fear for Autism as the late Suzanne Wright did. He is the one who should be stopped and he will be. I have reported the petition to Change.org for a policy violation (bullying and harassment) especially given that this is the second time Levental has tried to stop Steve from speaking. He has every right to speak on Autism, and Levental has no right to stop him. He is speaking the truth about it, and Levental is a biased narrow minded bigot who doesn’t want to know about the positives. All he wants is a cure and he’s not going to get it. Neither is anyone else who wants it, because it is impossible.
I welcome Steve to Australia. He has an important message to give and I would have been there if the Conference wasn’t so expensive to attend. I was only able to attend in Ballarat in 2012 thanks to some free tickets being available through the local group. He doesn’t trivialise Autism. He tells the truth about it. He is worth listening to for the understanding of the Spectrum as a whole. Any parent who claims that Autism is a struggle needs help, and is harming their own child with that attitude.
I have to put this here and I have asked either the other admins at All About Anti Vaxxers or Sam Redfern to link this – as from what I’ve been told she has bailed after being given quite the bake on Facebook. Jodie, you need to read this and understand what you are doing wrong.
First off, here is what she said;
I think it’s a possibility that regression is a separate issue to autism and the cause of regression is different to the cause of autism.
I think it’s also possible that people with a genetic predisposition to autism may be more likely to experience regression.
Another possibility is that this subgroup of children who regress are not born autistic and the regression coincides with the onset of autism.
Unfortunately none of the research that I have read focuses solely on the regressive group or the ID group other than Dr Deisher’s research, which excludes the high functioning group and shows a link between autism and vaccines that contain human DNA contaminants due to the use of fetal cell lines in the manufacture. I understand that this theory cannot explain autism in the older generation of autistics although both viral and autoimmune encephalitis can also be caused by some wild viruses and explain regression. Some live viral vaccines can cause encephalitis too regardless of DNA contaminants.
I would like to see more research that focuses on the ID group and/or the recessive group.
I agree that vaccines are not proven to cause regressions to the frequency claimed. Like my son, there are many who experienced a recognised regression that is currently considered ‘of unknown cause’. While a cause remains unestablished it’s unproven one way or the other if vaccination has or hasn’t played a part or caused the regression. The vaccine my son received prior to the regression can cause regression due to viral or autoimmune encephalitis. You are correct in saying there may be another cause but since vaccination is the most obvious cause due to the temporal association I am pursuing that possibility further at the moment and the medical professionals recognise it is a possibility. The geneticist we saw last year said after finding no abnormalities during genetic testing that my sons condition may not have a genetic cause, and this geneticist is aware of the ASD in our family. When I go back later this year I will question him further about whether he means the ASD, the ID or both. I, like you, see the ID as a severe form of autism rather than a separate condition which would mean that a regression is either the cause of the autism or making a very mild case of autism much worse.
Your sensory overload theory is only a theory and not a proven possibility like the theory I have mentioned. For that reason and the reasons I already mentioned I find it hard to seriously consider. Could you explain how you came up with the theory? I’m trying to establish why it would be any more credible than past theories like refrigerator mothers that are now known to be incorrect. I have given it some thought but I still don’t fully understand whether you mean something psychological, physical or either as a source of regression and why you even believe this to begin with. I also don’t know what you mean by reversing it. I’m interested in your mention of the sixth sense as I remember my eldest telling me to look at a man that wasn’t there when he was little. My severely affected son can be in fits of laughter like he is being tickled to death even though he is alone. I’m not sure if it’s a surge of brain chemicals because doctors just say that’s common with these kids. Do you have any thoughts you’re happy to share?
Now before I go to my response, there was some interim material. It started with one of the AAAV admins calling her out on the comment that “Another possibility is that this subgroup of children who regress are not born autistic and the regression coincides with the onset of autism” calling it rubbish and that there was no possibility of it at all. I repeated that in my reply as you’ll shortly see. Jodie asked if AAAV felt the geneticist was wrong and referenced this person as “highly trained” and AAAV answered “Yes” and added that Autism has no genetic identity so the geneticist wouldn’t know. Jodie agreed that there was no genetic identity and used that to assume that the whole thing was still up in the air, causing Sam Redfern to roar in and tell her that there was no alternative explanation that was valid – and that “Wild speculation based in emotional anecdotes don’t count”. Jodie countered by suggesting she had provided other valid explanations – totally ignoring Sam’s note about anecdotes, and AAAV shot back that she’d provided no valid explanations. She tried to counter again by claiming that genetics didn’t explain developmental regression, and AAAV rightly pointed her to my sensory overload theory and told her to read it again and this time pay attention to it. Jodie is yet to respond and I suspect she has indeed left the thread. Steve Pemberton linked a superb article from The Conversation to back up the genetics argument and AAAV advised that I would be told about it – and of course I have been.
So here is my response to what she said.
This comment I’m responding to is utterly offensive in so many ways. For a start, AAAV is right. That is impossible. Autism is genetic, and no exceptions. Steve’s link is superb. If Deisher is saying otherwise, then that means she is another in a long line of quacks who doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Vaccines are a compound and have no such contents in that compound form. That is basic chemistry. Just like salt and water. You don’t judge them on their chemical content, so you don’t judge vaccines on their chemical content either. Your son did not get encephalitis from the vaccine you think caused the regression. That’s impossible. It is NOT the most obvious cause. The most obvious cause is sensory overload and you really have to wrap your mind around it because again – it makes the most sense.
You wasted your time going to a geneticist, because that sort of person can not possibly see any obvious difference without knowing where to look. All brains are different. There is no brain that is exactly the same in any human being – Autistic or neurotypical. A regression is impossible without the existing presence of Autism. It can not be created in that way. No Autism – no regression. Simple.
You will consider sensory overload, because you have already accepted the existence of sensory sensitivity, right? The two go together – cause and effect. The more sensory sensitive one is, the more likely a sensory overload. Again – that’s where you need to be looking. It’s so simple I just can’t understand why you can’t see it. Or is it a case of you won’t? Sensory overload has nothing to do with the bunked fridge mother rubbish – if anything that idea would cause a “sensory underload”. Yes I made that up in order for you to get the idea. It’s all about one of the six senses being overloaded and the brain can’t take it. Stress is an example of the sixth sense being overloaded. What happens when you are stressed? It hurts right? Multiply that a few times for your high functioning kids. Multiply it thirty times for your youngest. Brain chemicals have nothing to do with it. It’s the brain itself. Your youngest may be laughing without an apparent reason because he has simply thought about something and loves it. It’s random because his brain is still overloaded so there’s no way of telling what actually he was laughing at.
It looks to me like you’ve got a lot to learn about Autism. Just looking at your kids clearly hasn’t taught you enough, and you’re clearly reading the wrong material.
And that is that.
It’s been brought to my attention that there are people who expect me to be able to get a job, and complain that I am a cheat. This is false and requires a further explanation.
This isn’t a new subject. ASAN founder Ari Ne’eman has already called for social pleasantries to be eliminated as an employment requirement across the board – due to the fact that everyone on the Autistic Spectrum has issues of some description in this area. We have no social instinct. What we have at best is a robotic social skill set, which is seen as restricted by the public at large. It is not uncommon for us to be rude without knowing we have been rude, and upset people in the process. And what’s worse, we never get a full explanation as to why this happened. We are expected to work it out for ourselves. Without answers to questions, we can’t. That is the lack of instinct at work. Answering the questions is too much for many employers and that’s why they get rid of us – claiming unjustfiable hardship. That’s what the Defence Department did to me (forgetting for the moment that they had to set something up to make it look legal!). It also happened with Australia Post and I couldn’t react any other way then because I didn’t know that I was on the Autistic Spectrum.
Now I disagree with Ari on one point. Social pleasantries have to stay for jobs where the general public is inherently involved – jobs in sales and hospitality for example. Jobs in call centres are also like this. These are jobs that Autistics generally can not do – unless a special interest is involved. For example, an Autistic who is excellent at electronics would do okay in an electronics store (I was going to say Dick Smith, but that’s not appropriately any more!).
But when the general public is not involved, social pleasantries should be a two way street. The other members of staff should be expected to adjust. This is the problem – they don’t have to at present. So it doesn’t matter if the Autistic can do the actual job. If they can’t work in a team they won’t be employed. We are solitary people. We function best autonomously. We don’t function well when we are taken out of our routine – whether it be a base routine for those of us higher up the Spectrum (like me) or the total routine on the lower end. We can only be employed if this sort of environment is provided. If it is we are productive employees. It’s not an unreasonable demand, and yet for the sake of the team and the social atmosphere, employers don’t want to know.
For myself, I do have other issues – such as my present lifestyle routine which has developed to a pretty stringent level after 17 years of unemployment. That does not make me a bludger. It makes me a victim of a system that needs to change. I am entitled to the Disability Support Pension under these circumstances, and to say otherwise is against the facts of my life, and the lives of any other Autistic.
I have been told that there are two Autistics who go against this apparently. The first one has to be someone involved in a special interest. I’m pretty sure I know who they are talking about with the second example, and that person is not Autistic.
So don’t listen to anyone who calls me a cheat and a “dole bludger”. It’s defamation and I can easily prove it so.
If these people really do want me to work, they should stop trying to bully and bait me and start calling on employers to stop demanding social skills when they aren’t compulsory, and provide a base routine and relative autonomy. They can do it – they just don’t want to. And that’s their fault and not mine.
The following link crossed my bows today while doing some other searching;
I’m not going to quote anything from it because it would take too long, but there are some important points to make.
The first is that it is now becoming clear that the Autistic Spectrum was first written about in 1935, not 1943, and by Anni Weiss – a colleague of Hans Asperger – and not Leo Kanner. That led to Asperger having a wider range of children to examine (and as a side note there was no indication that any of the children could have been as young as four, which is the cut off for thiomersal being introduced into vaccines in 1931) and had the whole Spectrum in front of him – not just one section like Kanner did.
The second is the controversial part. Now as we all know, Hitler and his fascist Nazi regime preached the Aryan Race. This precluded anyone with a disability, who were targeted for death as much as the Jews were. So when Austria was annexed by Germany in 1938, Asperger had to know his subjects were in danger. He didn’t have much support as many of his colleagues were Jewish and sought to flee the country – or they committed suicide. Those that didn’t fall into that category fell into line behind Hitler and his cronies.
The controversial book “In A Different Key” tries to paint Asperger as a Nazi sympathiser at best and a blatant Nazi at worst. If the latter was correct he would have allowed all his subjects to be killed, and he didn’t. So that idea can be blasted out of the water. What he did do was in effect put on two faces – the outward sympathiser face (which the writers on In A Different Key have focused on it appears) and the inward researcher continuing his work.
Steve Silberman has gone up in my estimation with this piece. The writers of that book, John Donvan and Caren Zucker, are clearly on the warpath trying to discredit Asperger’s work by slapping a Nazi tag on it. That’s BS and Silberman rightly called them out on it, especially when his research contradicted theirs in so many ways. This was because Steve actually took the time to look at everything. It’s just so typical of a society that fears Autism so much that such lazy rubbish comes out to try and undermine the real and full understanding of the Spectrum.
And it also adds validity to the argument that any demands that Autism be cured, wiped out and so on should be seen in the same light as wiping out the Jews. We are people. We are human. We are not animals, we are not diseased and we should not be cured. We should be accepted, nurtured properly, supported and valued – and be given the room to adjust to our respective conditions. Adam Lanza refused to have anything to do with his condition at all, and look what happened to him. He went mad. A refusal to accept and adjust is asking for mental health issues on a major scale, and there’s one right now living in Los Angeles who is nearly the same age as Lanza who is heading in the same direction, and owns an AK-47 (or so he says).
As a final note, there was this from erstwhile loudmouth Jonathan Mitchell;
Perhaps Czech won’t give Steve Silberman information because he has the good common sense to see how absurd neurodiversity is.
No, he won’t give it because he knows Steve has him by the proverbials and doesn’t have the courage to admit it. Everyone with common sense knows that neurodiversity is not absurd, and Mitchell is the last person to be criticising that given how he was brought up to hate Autism and therefore doesn’t have the tools to understand what neurodiversity really is. Nor the courage to admit his error.
It was brought to my attention today that Neil Greenspan had written an article in the Huffington Post back in March and then updated in May, in the wake of Newsweek’s unfortunate article on Jonathan Mitchell – an article I maintain to this day should not have been written as it gave Mitchell publicity that he didn’t deserve.
Greenspan firstly gets it wrong by claiming critics of Mitchell are attacking him because he is supporting “effective autism therapy”. That is not the case. Mitchell is only interested in a cure and nothing else. He is in fact a critic of therapy for Autism. Greenspan also gets it wrong thus;
…because they fear that public acknowledgment of his quest will undermine their efforts to achieve acceptance for themselves or, in the case of parents of affected individuals, their children.
Remembering that Greenspan got the previous point wrong, the reality is that Mitchell’s pursuit of a cure plays right into the hands of a society that still fears Autism. This fear plays out in all the legal discrimination that goes on, and on top of that there are the anti vaccine proponents who insist that vaccines cause Autism. Mitchell’s desire for a cure also plays to them.
The attitude appears to be that JM’s right to pursue his life aims as he sees fit should be held hostage to the needs of others seeking greater acceptance of autism-associated traits or behaviors.
This is misleading. Greenspan obviously hasn’t read Mitchell’s blog. It is a litany of whining and complaining – and doing nothing positive about it. We aren’t holding him hostage. He’s holding himself hostage. He can do better, but he won’t.
The good news is that Greenspan supports the proper concept of neurodiversity as it should be (further proving that he hasn’t read Mitchell’s blog and seen his favourite saying “we don’t need no stinkin neurodiversity”). But;
However, the critics of JM do not take sufficient account of the extraordinary range of autism-related manifestations when they presume, based on rather limited knowledge of JM’s condition and circumstances, to tell him the source of his problems and what he is permitted to think or say about his own needs and desires.
Limited my arse, and don’t tell me (one of the said critics) that I’m not taking the entire Spectrum into account! Every single negative trait can be treated – if it is caught early enough. That is what I’m about. It was made clear in the Newsweek article that Norma Mitchell was accused of being a bad parent. She responded by taking the blame – instead of rejecting it as every other parent of an Autistic at the time did. In every single Autistic on the planet (no exceptions) that first twelve years of life is crucial, as are the next three or four. The adjustment process has to be done during that period. If it isn’t there are issues. I can talk about that as I wasn’t diagnosed until I was 31. But even at 31, I knew to adjust. And I have and I am better for it. So are others who have adjusted. Mitchell hasn’t. No matter his specific condition and circumstances, there is no excuse for that.
I do not believe he has any intentions of demanding that other affected individuals must seek the same treatments, should they materialize in the future, that he would gladly try.
He doesn’t need to. Others will do that, and that is the real danger – and the core of it is this desire for a cure. It’s a desire that HAS to be silenced because it is murder. There is no other word for it – murder. There is no room for people like Mitchell because he has no respect for the condition he has. In order to be a part of the solution, the first thing that has to happen is to understand and respect the condition. Mitchell does neither, so he is part of the problem, not the solution.
I’ll finish with this;
Otherwise, these activists will undercut their important mission by demonstrating their own inability to tolerate diversity in perceptions or goals.
You, Neil Greenspan, need to understand that collusion to murder is not tolerance towards diversity. It’s opposing hatred of diversity. Mitchell hates neurodiversity, therefore he hates diversity. To oppose that does not undermine the mission. It supports it by recognising and silencing threats. Mitchell is a threat.
Somehow I’m surprised that it has taken this long for this to happen – but after the No Jab No Pay No Play policy was confirmed for January 1, 2016 it has now come to light that anti vaxxers are now tearing down posters advertising vaccines at medical centres around Melbourne.
You are all PATHETIC!!
See, this is why I’m shouldering arms (metaphorically speaking) as I have already mentioned previously re inciting child neglect – because that’s what this is. Inciting child neglect or even child abuse.
It was also disgusting to hear that a registered nurse had lied about being vaccinated, and she is now being investigated by the appropriate authorities.
This is not on. I remember back at the beginning of the millennium of how competing pro wrestling promotions were tearing down \the posters of their opponents. That’s just bad sportsmanship in competition. This poster removal is possibly lethal! Think about it – a poster is removed, a child misses out on a vaccine, and then dies from the disease that the vaccine would have prevented! That’s manslaughter!
It’s good that Victorian Health Minister Jill Hennessey is onto it in general and making the appropriate statements. But we need to go further. These anti vaxxers are fanatics. They are downright dangerous – Reasonable Hank already called Tristan Wells out on his ridiculous statements. Anyone who says vaccines aren’t safe is lying. They don’t understand vaccines and the associated system in place. They don’t want to, because they are blinkered fools who have no place in medicine. Mother warriors acting from uneducated emotion instead of logic, and refusing to seek the proper help and information. Any mother who doesn’t pursue an explanation for any unusual reactions with the proper people is neglecting their child. The Internet is not the answer. A qualified medical practitioner from a real university carries a lot more knowledge than any Tom, Dick or Harriet who has qualifications from Google University (that is, no qualifications at all).
The sooner I deal with my issue keeping me off Facebook the better! Believe me, should I get back on I have just two words for the anti vaxxers;
Okay this has gone on for long enough!!
While I was in Portarlington it was brought to my attention that the Australian Vaccination-Skeptics Network had created a meme calling eight people “Fear Contagions” over vaccines.
* Victorian Health Minister Jill Hennessey
* Queensland Health Minister Cameron Dick
* Federal Treasurer Scott Morrison
* Federal Opposition Leader Bill Shorten
* Greens Parliamentary Leader Richard Di Natale
* WA Young Australian of the Year nominee Catherine Hughes
* Michael Kidd (unable to ascertain who this is)
* Media Mogul Rupert Murdoch
Reasonable Hank called this out on Twitter – it’s out of line and completely unacceptable conduct, especially Catherine! I know why a couple of them are there. Cameron Dick’s government ran an enquiry at state level over vaccines and there were plenty of anti vaxxers trying to get involved. The final report put them in their place, and like the extremist BS artists they are they totally ignored the message. Richard Di Natale has never been forgiven for his rightful call out of the AVsN in the Senate, and on top of that he took Meryl Dorey and Greg Beattie to task over being former head honchos of the “Australian Vaccination Network” (AVsN’s old name that has now been banned for them) and saying so at the committee hearing on the No Jab No Pay legislation.
When I wrote to the state minister’s over this whole vaccine issue, Jill’s response was the best of them so I’m not surprised she’s there. I think Catherine voiced her support of vaccines and to have her as a nominee for Young Australian of the Year come January 26 next year is a slap in the face (and deserved) to the anti vaxxers. Murdoch’s papers as far as I know haven’t covered the anti vaxxers concerns – in fact they have never given them positive print that I can remember. It’s either none, or negative – usually none.
The fear contagions are the anti vaxxers. They rely on it. This makes them bullies. I tried recently to check through the New South Wales Crimestoppers website if incitement to child neglect was a criminal offence. The idiot who replied told me that giving an opinion was fine no matter what. Rubbish. That fool is part of the problem and protecting these dangerous idiots!
I am in no doubt. This is incitement to child neglect. Bullying to scare parents away from vaccines with rubbish “medical” information that has no credibility and taking advantage of the dearth of misleading information coming out of the United States. Paul Offit called some of it “the bane of his existence” and he was right (and consequently rubbished out of context by Ginger Taylor). It’s misleading and money for jam for the anti vaxxers who profit from this.
I’ve had it. What I call the Vaccine War is now entering another phase – criminal. This has gone on for long enough and those who are inciting this neglect have to be charged same under the relevant legislation governing child neglect and abuse. I don’t think there’s any other way any more. Education doesn’t work for these idiots. The No Jab No Pay No Play laws that will be effective from January 1, 2016, show that the politicians are starting to get the idea. I’ve just about given up on the scientists. They just want this to blow over. It won’t. I’ve almost given up on my political angle as well – especially if my latest tactic doesn’t get through (I’ll know by mid week I think).
So all of you so called caring parents who oppose vaccines, be warned. I consider you to be criminals. If you don’t want the police on your doorstep, stop with your bullying of other parents. Stop spreading false information. Get off social media and shut up. You are a threat to the lives of the next generation and the fact that you don’t care about preventable diseases makes you the scum of the earth that only belong in one place;
What is it about northern New South Wales and it’s crazies? Bangalow has Meryl Dorey. Now I’m told that there’s someone on her lunatic level just 53 kilometres north in Eungella, just outside of Murwillumbah – Sumukhi Dasi. This one makes Quasi-modo seem (dare I use the word) normal – hence the title of this entry.
This entry was delayed by Facebook refusing to let me see the content before demanding I log in (get lost!). So I had to get direct links and screenshots for this entry from my friends on there. This effort was headed up by the current owner of the All about Anti Vaxxers page – which was founded by me but passed on when I left Facebook back in January. The current admins are people I won’t name, and one of them recently had to sit out a three day block for stupid reasons – all because Dasi didn’t like being warned about the consequences of her nonsense directly (New South Wales police being informed of her conduct) and one of her comments being screenshotted on the AAAV page – which was brought back censored by the way.
Anyway, I’ll keep this short because there was way too much info to go through so I’ll just stick to the highlights – or rather the lowlights.
I want to firstly highlight her response to the query about her eating salt. That’s a line that I originated (well I’d like to think I did!) to prove that these idiots don’t understand the concept of compounds in the vaccine argument. Dasi IDed herself as not a consumer of table salt but rather “Himalayan rock salt” (and she wasn’t the only one). The admin of AAAV at the time pointed out that salt was salt (quite right) but it goes further than that. Dasi claimed that there were 84 different minerals in that rock salt.
There are only ten that I could find, and guess what? At least 95 percent of it is Sodium Chloride. Of course. But here’s the kicker. Most of the rest of it contains polyhalite, a hydrated sulphate of potassium, calcium and magnesium. No issues there, but it is vulnerable to iron oxide inclusions (indicated by the salt being pink instead of white). That in my book makes this rock salt more dangerous than table salt. The other minerals of the ten I couldn’t find the names of. Bottom line – that rock salt makes no difference to the core argument about compounds.
Dasi also spammed the usual anti vax rhetoric, from the likes of The Vaccine Reaction, Current Health Scenario (a blog on Blogger), Vaccine Impact, Global Research dot ca, Info Wars, Metabolic Healing, Coto2 (a blog on Word Press), Action Only Me, Vac Truth and Child Health Safety (another Word Press blog) as well as quoting Boyd Haley, Donald Miller, Robert Murdoch, Paul King, Arthur Reingold (out of context), Archie Kalokerinos and Donna Greco.
She also tried to use the ICD-9 as a point, only to go quiet when Melanie Jewell challenged her to provide examples of actual usage of that part Dasi quoted.
It’s obvious that she is a graduate of Google University and doesn’t understand what she is actually saying. Take this for instance;
Not even 10% of every human being on this planet has ever been fully vaccinated at the one time for any disease on the vaccination schedule, not ever and we have a huge bustling population on earth. We survive quite well without your diseased vaccinations that do not work but to spread more and more deadly strains of the diseases they purport to protect us from. There is so much proof of both the ineffectiveness and of the pernicious dangers of vaccinating children. There were no colds or flus, no measles or polio in Sth America until a bunch of dirty filthy disease ridden superiority complexioned “western” scientists landed there and spread their uncivilized behaviors and habits.
That percentage is rot. I’m not saying it’s high – after all there are plenty of third world pockets, particularly in Africa, who don’t get access to vaccines. But we did NOT survive quite well without vaccinations! That’s TOTAL bunk! At best we had heaps of kids laid up desperately ill and only surviving due to improvements in treatments (which is what brought the mortality rates down as we know). The claim that there were no colds or flu, measles or polio in South America before the western world arrived is a flat out lie.
And then we had this;
measles made 99.99999999% of us less ill than a common cold when we all got measles (deliberately under doctors orders) together back in the late 50’s early 1960’s (before the vaccine for measles was ever introduced). We had spotty parties and kids enjoyed the week off school. Our immunity is for life. Our immune systems were strengthened, I never caught even a cold let alone a flu in all my schooldays in Melbourne. You are a liar because I lived at this time and witnessed firsthand that the very word measly comes from the FACT that by the late 1950’s measles was a measly infection that hardly even made you ill. You cannot just lie upon lie upon lie, I was there and lived it, you were nowhere then and nowhere now in your religious fear mongering for us to bow down to your gods (bahahaha) of pharmakopeia.
Spotty parties are the ultimate in child abuse! If they haven’t been banned by health departments Australia wide they should be! Dasi lied when she said she never caught a cold in childhood. That’s impossible. The measles does make you ill! I know because I got it when I was a kid! It’s DEADLY you idiot! Ask Roald Dahl about his daughter! Ask those parents of the children who have died in recent times from the measles!
And finally she hit the completely paranoid stupid button with this;
Listen you no name nobody hiding behind a cliché name. You are not a person you are a bunch of well paid big pharma shills. You are noone with no name and no address but Nazi Fascist Dreamland. Show us your face you sly sneaking troller of other peoples personal pages. Your little impersonal game of scienceless ad hominem attacks is a scam. You are a scam. Show us your pay checks for this disgusting attempt to lobotomize democracy!
I shall address you as THE BIG PHARMA FRONT PAGE because that is the correct translation for your impersonalist rote learned big pharma brainwashed answering service.
You are the scammer, Dasi. You are the liar and the charlatan preying on parents who are making the most important decision they will make in their young children’s lives. This in my book makes you a criminal – inciting others into acts of child neglect. I am looking in to whether or not that’s an actual crime, and if it’s not then it should be. Dasi has the gall to call vaccinations part of a Nazi Fascist regime. It’s not. In fact the Nazi’s would oppose vaccines because it protects the weak and vulnerable. That’s your Fascism argument out the window, Dasi! No one on the pro vaccine side on social media gets paid for it. We’d love to get paid! It’s the easiest job in the world if it did! But the reality is it’s people like Dasi who are the paid shills. They are shilling for the natural therapy side of the world. The fools who want us to go back to the “eat this root” style of medical treatment that belongs with snake oil salesmen (and women). The pharmaceutical companies love you, Dasi, because it’s idiots like you that will make them lots more money from their vast array of pills – where the money is in their business as AAAV has pointed out many times in the past. It is you who is lobotomising the democracy of the children to live free of preventable disease.
So, Sumukhi Dasi-Modo, consider yourself cast iron OWNED.